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May 02,2009: Jasun;885 Thanks for joining Solar Panel Talk Marineliner. Hope to see some posts from ya!
**I edited the title of this thread to better suit the discussion that this thread has turned into
MarineLiner;889 Thanks for welcoming me. Is your welcome post auto created by the system? Hmm. just my curriousity.
I’m looking for newest progress about mass production of solar pv cells and panels. Did any one dicussed it here?
Jasun;890 nope, the welcome posts are not automated. I’m on here quite frequently and try to personally welcome all new members when I can. 
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Posted by TenagaSurya on June 3, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Solar Panel Mass Production Possibilities – Solar Panel Forum
MarineLiner;891 Thanks.
I’m looking for newest progress about mass production of solar pv cells and panels.
Jasun;892 what type of information are you looking for exactly?
MarineLiner;893 my friends at gawaher.com discussing a news about middle east planning to produce solar cells:
Solar Power And Desalination: Gold Mines For The Middle East – Islamic Forum http://www.gawaher.com
MarineLiner;894 Solar Power And Desalination: Gold Mines For The Middle East – Islamic Forum
Jasun;895 Here are some links that may help:
http://www.solarbuzz.com
http://www.atkearney.de/content/misc/wrapper.php/name/file_tapping-the-sun_12293589478282.pdf
just let me know what you want to know, and I’ll do my best to help out
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 4:13 am
MarineLiner;897 I had ever heard beside the panel price remain expensive, even if all lands of indonesia covered by the panels, we can’t get enough electricity power. Is it true?
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 7, 2009 at 11:25 am
May 02,2009 BayGirl;898 no I don’t think thats true. if indonesia was completely covered in solar panels, it would probably power the entire world with enough electricity.
According to Wikipedia, In the Sahara desert, with less cloud cover and a better solar angle, one can obtain closer to 8.3 kWh/m²/day.
The unpopulated area of the Sahara desert is over 9 million km², which if covered with solar panels would provide 630 terawatts total power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaic_array#_note-0
Indonesia is 1,919,440 km2
so the unpopulated area of the Sahara is just about 5 times bigger then indonesia. if you divide 630 terawatts by 5, you get 126 TW. The Earth’s current energy consumption rate is around 13.5 TW at any given moment.
a huge problem with covering that much area with solar panels is that it destroys the desert and messes with the ecosystem.
http://solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?t=515
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 8, 2009 at 5:44 am
Solar Panel Mass Production Possibilities – Page 2 – Solar Panel Forum
May 03,2009 MarineLiner;902 Thanks. That time i also thought he’s wrong. But because it’s a report on TV news, i can’t interupt, and unfortunately he’s the minister of energy and mineral resources of the republic of Indonesia. I’m afraid we should discuss further in the other section, as this is the welcome section.
Meanwhile, i found this link as a little “picture” of solar panel in Indonesia.
http://sunergy.indonetwork.co.id/group+27056/jual-listrik-tenaga-surya.htm
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Posted by TenagaSurya on June 11, 2009 at 2:37 am
Jasun;903 good morning marineliner. no problem about this conversation in the welcome forum. I appreciate it no matter what forum it’s in.
so is there a lot of talk about solar energy in Indonesia? is the government wanting to use more of it? oh and just out of curiosity, how did you find this website?
Sharon_Hart;907 Welcome to SPT Marineliner! From what I understand, Indonesia is a beautiful place!
MarineLiner;910 Thanks a lot. Yes it is, inspite of the minister of energy and mineral resources of the republic of Indonesia, as i said in earlier posts. Hope we can do something to have a better country.
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Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 5:16 am
May 04,2009[QUOTE=Jasun;903] no problem about this conversation in the welcome forum. …
so is there a lot of talk about solar energy in Indonesia?
is the government wanting to use more of it? [/QUOTE]
MarineLiner;911: I found this site from google.
i’m afraid nowadays people just talk more about who will be the president and the vice, as we will hv the election in june.
if the minister said like that, means we should work hard toward solar energy. while the price of the instalation still expensive, i interested to the mass prdction as said in middle east.
our govmnt.is drawn in debt. so if we can hv investors, i think we can go ahead.
what do you think?
btw: i still worry not too many will participate if we discuss in this section. sorry.
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Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 7:53 am
Jasun;912: I moved your thread to a different forum to encourage more discussion as you suggested.
The major factor driving the decision to go solar in the United States (as well as other countries) are the government incentives. Our government gives any home owner who buys a solar panel system a 30% tax incentive. On top of that some particular states give additional incentives. People are seeing on average of $10,000-$15,000 taken off the total cost of their system. If these government incentives didn’t exist, there would be a lot less talk about solar.
Our country has a bit of debt too.
I think mass production of solar energy is good, but I like the idea of having solar panels on individual homes more. With the mass produced energy, the energy is being sold to electricity companies for a profit, then the home owner still has to buy the electricity at a premium rate. When a homeowner has them on their home, they are directly benefiting from their very own solar panels. Not only that, but …
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 8:10 am
May 04,2009[QUOTE=Jasun;912] I think mass production of solar energy is good, but ….. With the mass produced energy, the energy is being sold to electricity companies …..[/quote]
Thanks for moving the thread here.
As i’ve found it, maybe we could change also the title such as: “Solar Panel Mass Production Possibilities” or anything else you think will be better.
Sorry again, i mean the solar panels prdction. not the electricity, as i was inspired by the news in gawaher.com:
http://www.gawaher.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=726928&view=findpost&p=1194802
Solar Power And Desalination: Gold Mines For The Middle East
If it possible, panel price can greatly be reduced. As what i heard, the most obstacle is the expensive price. Or, do you think it’s already reasonable?
Sorry if i make you dizzy.
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 8:46 am
May 04,2009 MarineLiner;918:
‘Wanderer, Apr 10 2009, 01:24 PM’
Solar Power and Water Desalination.
…. a news article the other day that stated some oil-rich sheiks are investing heavily in solar power research. ….. Since much of the Middle East is desert, it makes sense to invest in solar technology, as solar panels need silicon, which is abundant in sand. …..
http://www.gawaher.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=726928&#entry1194802
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Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 8:55 am
May 04,2009 Jasun;923: prices of solar panels have been consistently declining. For example, in 1982 the prices of solar panels was at $27 per watt. Today it’s between $4-$5. The reason why they’ve been declining is solar panel efficiency has been increasing, improvements in manufacturing technology, a growing demand, etc.
A major reason why solar panels are so expensive is because of the process to manufacture the solar cells. The silicon itself isn’t expensive…its the 2nd most abundant element on the planet. It’s a tedious process of refining the silicone and “doping” materials to create the solar cells.
There are some companies who are coming up with thin-film technology that don’t have a complicated process like the silicon cells. These type of panels are much cheaper, but the problem right now is that they are not that efficient as far as capturing the sunlight and converting it into electricity. an example of such a company is http://www.nanosolar.com
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 9:09 am
May 05,2009 Jasun;923…. in 1982 : $27 per watt. Today it’s between $4-$5.
… expensive is because of the process to manufacture the solar cells. The silicon itself isn’t expensive…
… with thin-film technology … These type of panels are much cheaper, but the problem right now is that they are not that efficient as far as … an example of such a company is http://www.nanosolar.com NanoSolar [/QUOTE]
Thanks a lot.
I visited that nano and read their words: 100 x Thinner – 100 x Faster
Well, could you tell me what can i do to implement solar energy upto the widest as we know Indonesian govmnt. don’t have stimulous yet. Could we get investors?
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 9:29 am
May 06,2009 Jasun;940 yeah, i’ve been keeping up with nano by reading their blog. I believe they are close to having a breakthrough that will bring down the price of solar to be competitive with current electricity rates.
honestly I wouldn’t know where to start to find out about getting investors in indonesia for solar. are you talking about finding investors for solar on individual residential homes? if there isn’t any talk from the government about helping, maybe you could start an organization to start pushing the government to help out? I’ll keep an eye out if I come across anything and let you know.
Solar Panel Mass Production Possibilities – Page 3 – Solar Panel Forum
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 9:41 am
May 06,2009 unixmd5crypt;954 I’m excited about the nano technology. It would work wonders for energy harvesting. I’m honestly surprised that the US government hasn’t taken the idea under their wings and developed it faster. They are so worried about getting nuclear energy going that it seems like they’ve been blinded to the ideas of using solar power. It’s rather dissappointing.
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 9:52 am
May 06,2009 Jasun;940: 1) … to find out about getting investors in indonesia for solar.
2) … for solar on individual residential homes?
3) … start an organization to start pushing the government to help out?[/quote]
1) No, i meant investor from America.
2) we can try both, individual and company, with giving priority to the most possible one.
3) Yes, i will start an organization as we couldn’t and shouldn’t work alone for doing all the best toward our planet.
Could you help me by giving a forum board like this to start with? I mean to use it in Indonesian language for those who can’t english at all. And for those who can english we should bring them here.
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 10:43 am
May 07,2009: [QUOTE]unixmd5crypt ;954… nano technology. It would work wonders for energy harvesting. ….. US government hasn’t taken the idea under their wings and developed it faster. ….. to the ideas of using solar power. [/QUOTE]
¤while in indonesia we can see what the “minister” said as i had posted earlier.
http://solarpaneltalk.com/showpost.php?p=980&postcount=24
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Jasun ;981 actually nanosolar got the largest amount of money ever given by the Department of Energy, $20 million. (http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/?p=19) plus they are getting good size grants and tons of funding from other companies.
it will be interesting to see where they are a few years from now. lots of money is being dumped into the solar industry and I eagerly await whats in store.
http://solarpaneltalk.com/showpost.php?p=980&postcount=25
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 21, 2009 at 10:44 am
May 07,2009:
[QUOTE=Jasun;981]… nanosolar got …, $20 million. (http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/?p=19) plus …
it will be interesting to see where they are a few years from now. lots of money is being dumped into the solar industry and I eagerly await whats in store.[/QUOTE]
¤Did they promise or make target on when they will release the results/products ?
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CindyLou ;995 i think it would be great if all the governments from countries around the world gave incentives to alternative energy like solar. The more demand, the lower costs will go. I could picture solar being very popular world wide to the point where everyone has solar panels.
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[QUOTE=CindyLou ;995]… The more demand, the lower costs will go. …[/QUOTE]
Yes, until a time that can make: the more demand, the more expensive, depend on the supply.
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 22, 2009 at 1:15 am
May 08,2009 Jasun;999 this is a blog post they wrote back in 2007. there hasn’t been an update on the release of the product since.
“Our product will be introduced into the market through a very small group of the most distinguished wholesalers that exist.
For instance, our first 100,000 panels are set to go into a very small number of private commercial installations where we deploy them in fenced or otherwise secured environments.
Focusing on a small number of non-public deployments simply makes everything easier for us to manage initially. Plus, this also has the benefit of allowing us to secure an additional period of proprietary protection for all of our new product features.
The remainder of our 2008 product allocations are spoken for as well (for quite some time, in fact). This means that if your local system integrator has not secured any quantities from us, which typically will be the case, the next opportunity will be in 2009.
We are happy to notify you when our products become …
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 22, 2009 at 1:24 am
May 08,2009 Jasun;1000 here something else I found to add to my previous post.
“Want to Buy Panels? We are presently already sold out for the next 12 months. We are working hard to scale our production capacity as fast as possible. Please sign up above to be notified of availability.”
http://www.nanosolar.com/products.htm
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May 08,2009 [QUOTE=Jasun;1000]… presently already sold out for the next 12 months. We are working hard to scale our production capacity as fast as possible. [/QUOTE]
¤Good news, first. Hopefully, won’t go to the “next”, as demand arise then the price goes …. ?
Solar Panel Mass Production Possibilities – Page 4 – Solar Panel Forum
Posted by TenagaSurya on June 22, 2009 at 1:50 am
10-23-2008: The Next Generation of Solar Panels?
J.SUN ;7 The scarce resource of silicon is the main semiconductor for most monocrystalline, polycrystalline, and thin film solar panels. It’s the second most abundant element on this planet, but of course it can’t be used forever.
An innovative company by the name of Nanosolar has looked far ahead into the future and is currently producing solar panels that are printed on a thin film with a special ink. Nanosolar raised over $300 million dollars, which is the largest amount for any solar start up. Some of the investors are company giants such as Google and IBM. The U.S. Department of Energy selects Nanosolar among a stiffly competitive field of applicants and awards $20 million to the company, the largest amount any company receives in the United States.
This technology is said to have 14.5% efficiency and is the lowest price for solar panels ever developed. …..
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