SunElec.com : Solar World and the so called CASM goes on the attack against us?

Posted in Solar Panel by TenagaSurya on February 1, 2012

Solar World and the so called CASM goes on the attack against us?

The latest article in the CASM (Chicken American Solar Manufacturers) website and published in over 10 other news sites including Sun and Wind all over the world, it specifically calls out Sun Electronics, as the perfect example of a huge stockpiler / importer of Chinese modules who is rushing, sneaking and stockpiling Chinese solar modules in anticipation of a huge pending decision for importing them. They say its quite clear and obvious because of the auction we won from an American Solar Company, Evergreen Solar, awarded to us by the Federal Bankruptcy Court when they were auctioned off. The money went to the creditors, nearly all Americans, of the failed company.

Not only is this a bold face lie but we paid much more than anyone else offered those creditors for those 7 MW’s of modules, substantially much more. Evergreen could not have done better by Sun Electronics or anyone else. We did them a huge favor. We were also one of Evergreen’s largest distributors for many years. All of this is with an American Company, not a Chinese one

Regarding the article from the CASM (Coalition for American Solar Manufacturing) led by Solar World.

“Solar World / CASM research found numerous examples of companies stockpiling dumped and illegally subsidized Chinese imports.

Sun Electronics, a Miami importer and wholesaler, brought in 31,000 Chinese solar laminates on a single day: Dec. 21, 2011.

Sun Electronics noted in an advertisement that it has recently obtained an entire second storage warehouse, likely demonstrating its intent to receive other large shipments of Chinese solar products.”

We would like to clarify a few things..

  • CASM said we brought in 31,000 laminates. This is a false statement because they were not laminates, they were in fact solar panels.
  • They presumed that since we recently got more warehouse space, we must be “planning on accepting much more on illegally subsidized product”. Another false statement.
  • They also mentioned that Sun Electronics bought them from an illegally subsidized companies by the Chinese? Sun Electronics bought the panels from Evergreen Solar USA, a U.S. company that went into bankruptcy, as part of the U.S. bankruptcy court settlement. Sun Electronics was one of their biggest distributors for USA and the Caribbean. These panels were never illegally subsidized.

CONCLUSION: When the one major manufacturer in the U.S. of crystalline modules, Solar World and CASM,  have to resort to using a small mom and pop company with 25 employees and a half dozen interns, like us, as their example of why they should take solar pricing back 10 years so they can survive, it’s really weak.  And when then have to lie and make up lost job statistics, its a scam on the American people.

If I may be allowed to say, I and Sun Electronics have  had an exemplary reputation for over 38 years of service to solar home owners and the wholesale renewable energy market as well as the back-up power market for power blackouts (Haiti has power for about 3 hours a day for 8 M people, and so many other countries who have horrible power conditions). CASM’s efforts goes against everything I can think of relating to renewable energy and helping people. I have worked non stop, diligently and passionately  been promoting and developing affordable renewable energy, back-up power and energy conservation since 1973, 38 years, my entire working life since I was, 23. To internationally attack myself and Sun Electronics to do it,  clearly showers tons of doubt on their statistics of jobs they say will be lost.

The question of how many jobs are being lost because of China’s PV manufacturer’s subsidized industry is moot when you consider that no manufacturer with exception of First Solar’s hype, even with all the U.S. Governments, local and utility  subsidization, very similar to China’s efforts, makes any money. That goes for the rest of the world as well. Solar manufacturing is a losing proposition as the technology stands now and always has been. I have been strictly in the PV business for over 25 years (Photowatt in the 80’s and Kyocera in the 90’s). I have also worked for Congressman George E. Brown Jr. (Chairman of the House Science and Technology Committee) and Arizona Governor Bruce Babbitt’s Arizona Solar Energy Commission in the 70’s.

What is going on is a misrepresentation to the public of the impact of inexpensive solar power from China or anywhere else for that matter. If other countries have cheaper labor deal with it but not by looking the gift horse in the mouth, take advantage of it. Let them lose the money. Solar Energy should be exempt from such selfish and smelly self-serving tactics by companies who seem to want to be among the losers in the PV manufacturing business. The maintainable and profitable  jobs are in the service jobs that come from lowering the cost of solar no matter what countries they are coming from. Right now solar panels cost less than they ever have not because of China but because of all the inventory that was built by the world’s factories and the reduction of incentives in places like Germany and Spain where all the worlds factories feasted, including the Chinese, German, Spanish, Japanese, Indian, Italian, American, English, Swedish, Portuguese, etc., etc..

By far the large number of jobs aren’t even in the factories, the factories are all automated except for the low paying unskilled jobs like those of applying plastic and aluminum frames. 60% of the cost of a solar panel is in the silicon cell processing and that is 100% done by robotics and assembly lines.

The jobs are in the servicing sector like distribution, dealers ( Sun Electronics Int., Inc. and many others, thousands of small business composed of dealers, designers, engineers, installers, storage, warehouse workers, trucking, receptionists, fork lift drivers, packers, pickers, order clerks, inventory controllers, bookkeepers, customer service, technical support and salespeople.

The most ugly proof of what is happening is the grandfathering the proposed import duties (I’ve heard as much as 65%) on Chinese panels to last October 2011. How unfair can it be for those companies who unknowingly 9imported Chinese modules.

Just a few years ago it was common for everyone except the Chinese to trash Chinese modules as garbage. What joke they were to do that, Chinese modules have always been as good as anyone else’s. People we are talking about glass, aluminum and rock. After all these years I still tell everyone they are like sliding glass doors, unless you live on the moon, a sailboat, an RV or in the space station the efficiency rarely makes a difference besides for just a difference in 5% more efficiency you will pay 20% more for the panels per watt.

All I ever wanted to do was to make renewable energy and especially solar because its limitless cost effective for everyone. I can site numerous boring details how hard we have tried to do this. I have always invested every dime I made in this business right back into it. Its always been peddle to the metal because frankly I don’t think we have any time to waste.

I’m into solar and renewable because they are good for our kids, my kids and yours. Look at what is happening to our Earth, look how fantastic a place it is and how precious life is. I have to wonder if Solar World cares about life or just money. They couldn’t make it so they are going to the Bureaucracy to help them raise everyone’s price for solar and I mean raise it significantly. If this happens the cost effectiveness of solar will be null and void. The price will skyrocket and what good will that do? More money losing factories for the U.S. with no real jobs to speak of in its place. Renewable Energy and The Earth’s protection for the future should be totally exempt from all this crap.

Yeah I’m mad, I’m tired of liars and liars who get supported by governments to make money and pay lobbyists to perpetuate it. Great Job Solar World for leading the charge. Drop that American Flag you are desecrating as you fight not for freedom, not in God we trust but for nothing more than yourselves so you can keep on wasting money. For god’s sake let the Chinese do it if they want to it will save every factory supported by other peoples money (the taxpayers) from going down the tubes.

Bend with the wind American’s be smart use them for everything their worth and win the jobs were they really count and develop the infrastructure, the educated solar homeowners and the largest number of possible installations because nothing sells solar better than real people standing in front of their independent solar home, satisfied, after having spent their hard earned money on a solar system that they love.

I feel sorry for anyone who messes with Sun Electronics, people have done it before and those people have paid dearly and we have always managed to stay alive. I’ll buy any panel from whoever I want to as long as it helps lower the cost of solar, helps to save the last of 31,000 endangered species, helps to provide clean water and food.

I’m mad as hell,. What goes around comes around. I bet if they, Solar World doesn’t get their big sister, the bureaucrats, to protect them they will go out of business immediately. If they do we will have to pay for their everything, like a spoiled ungrateful teenager.

In my opinion CASM numbers are so limited they aren’t worth listing. Who are they including, I will find out and report back in my next blog. My guess is anyone who makes a wire, a bolt, a mounting rack, a charge controller, a battery, the guys who wash their cars and manicure their lawns.They are losers, defects, who couldn’t make it in the real world, like most of the people in Washington and the government. I’m not saying everyone just most of them. I worked in Washington D.C. for a long time and thats what I came to know. Look at politics if you don’t beieve me. They could’nt make it on their own, the American way, so they went to Washington for the benefits, to write nonsensical rules and regulations. They went to Washington for power, influence, cash under the table and to feed out of the pork barrell.

Solar WOrld and their friends at the mysterious hundreds of thousands at CASM  want to take the solar ball away from us and run away and leave the rest of us with no way to play the game, and a very important game it is. It could be an integral part, the very last chance we have to save the earth from ever being able to truly jump to renewable energy while we still have the ability. The way things are going it , the economy, could get worse not better. You can be sure there will be more catastrophes, like hurricanes, tsunami’s, earthquakes, floods, solar flares, terrorism, blockades, etc. that will affect energy supplies and prices. But as of right now, you can afford to go solar more than ever before, because prices have finally gotten down to where we can actually make a go of it, because they are cost cost effective against utility power, but, not if these losers get their way with all these blown up statistics and lies they are presenting to Congress and the people of America. We’’ll all be screwed except Solar World’s handful of employs that work at their money losing factory. Make it profitable by raising your prices and the congress is buying it and the bureaucrats are buying it because its politically popular to bash the Chinese. Unfortunately its all going to hurt the real world of solar electric development. All for one and none for the all.

Don’t get robbed stand and fight, WRITE!

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml Write your Representative

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm  Write your Senator

Thank you.

Sorry for the typos but my 6 year old son got all stars on his school work and he wants that toy from Target, got to go. Pay your kids for grades, it works!

John Kimball


SOURCE: SunElec.com Blog


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  1. TenagaSurya said, on February 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    30 Responses to Solar World and the so called CASM goes on the attack against us?

    1. Swiderski says:
      i would like a 50,000 PVinstaller March on D.C., and common people too.. who want less bombs, and more rooftop solar installations..
      • Swiderski says:
        Im literally putting everything i can into developing this, my own $$, and these MF’s stand to defeat it before i get to service my first install. and ill again be under-employed..
        My entire investment stands to be a loss, i have potential clients with their own money, We are the ones hurt by this, and every American who could now afford this, and want to go this direction(the only logical direction).. And a few bucks here and there from the gov.(for the really poor folk).. we are the un-intended consequence! JK, this affects you and your 30+ emp’s too? Bigger than me. Feelings are mutual!
    2. tipicallib says:
      Solarworld is partially subsidized by the taxpayers already so they have nothing to complain about. Bring down your level or executive greed and pass on the saving to the consumer or go out of business already!

    3. steven says:
      So Solarworld is asking Americans to volunteer to pay 50% higher prices for solar panels? This is not a good time, sorry.
    4. nwcynic says:
      SolarWorld’s argument of unfair trade practices by Chinese firm’s because of government subsidies holds no water. On their company website they even describe over $250 Million of US Federal, Oregon State and local subsidies they have received just for the Oregon facility. No doubt they received as much or more for their California location. Solyndra of course also received $500 Million in US Federal loan guarantees.

      SolarWorld is no different than Solyndra, using outdated technology that is more expensive to produce than other newer technologies. This is the sole reason for their demise.

      No country has subsidized solar more than the US. And US tax payers are left holding the bag.

      SolarWorld isn’t even a US company.

    5. enufodis says:
      The Chinese need us more than we need them. If we collapsed, who buys their products. In essence, as we go so do they. Besides, the paper they hold is just that, paper. If they get obnoxious up will pop 3 – 4 subs with plenty of firepower off of their coast to contain any movement whatsoever.

      • Jim R says:
        … except that China has all the industrial capacity we so eagerly gave away to them over the last three decades …

        The recession in China will be V-shaped, or U-shaped, but the USA recession is on track to be L-shaped.

    6. Twelvis says:
      Our Senators should be fired. They bet on a certain horse (SolarWorld) in a race with thousands of horses, and we the middle class U.S. taxpayer lose. SolarWorld depends on a stabilization of solar panel prices yet without continue sharp declines in solar panel prices, solar power itself is excessively uneconomic. The logic isn’t here. You need cheaper solar power panel prices to justify subsidizing solar power generation, and yet here you want to slap a tariff on to raise the cost of solar power. Tax payers and consumers shouldn’t be the ones squeezed by government and renewable energy partnerships.
    7. jwh2008 says:

      Isnt SolarWorld in California the same company that got the same type loans from the obama payoff system? Isnt SolarWorld the same company the plastic face pelosis brother in law runs in California? Might be a diff. company but follow the money and it is more of the obama payoffs, in each company, to political friends such as pelosis brother in law. Try facts not spin and try putting the truth in print.

    8. Jim R says:
      Having watched Evergreen for some time, I would say that they *are* a US company. They only started the Chinese assembly line when they were in financial trouble, trying to save a little money. Where was CASM then? If Solar World cared so much about “made in the USA” why didn’t Solar World help out with a low cost US assembly line? Evergreen’s string ribbon technique is the most efficient way yet devised to get wafers out of bulk silicon.
    9. ECD Fan says:
      America may be in decline, but most of the rest of the world is doing even worse. CASM is a German conspiracy against the US consumer. CASE is a lunacy. It is dog eat dog. That is what happens when a bubble bursts and the scam is over. What, you guys thought you can scam the US taxpayer and ratepayer forever?
      • ECD Fan says:
        The above comment was written by a jealous impostor. ECD Fan’s stand on the matter has been elaborated elsewhere. While I don’t always agree with John’s views, SolarWorld/CASM are clearly desperate and should be ashamed of their latest despicable attack. Sun Electronics prices clearly frighten those greedy “retailers” and manufacturers who can’t compete.
    10. Edward says:
      Isn’t Solar World a German company and Evergreen a USA company? How stupid does Solar World think we are? There is nothing wrong with buying these Evergreen panels.

      Even if the Chinese were subsidizing solar panels and selling them below cost, so what?? As long as the panels are genuinely capable of generating net positive return on investment, don’t we, the people of the United States, win in the long run by buying as much as we can make use of? The Chinese subsidizing our solar panel purchases just makes our conversion to sustainable, renewable energy easier for us. We should be thanking the Chinese, not trying to slap them in the face with tariffs (and hurting ourselves at the same time).

      We have tons of unused land area in the United States. We also have largely unobstructed access to the sunlight on much of that land. China is so polluted that many places have a constant grey haze occluding access to their sunlight. Maybe China can’t make enough use of their own solar panels, so they are just BEGGING us to put them into use over here. Maybe they have some small hope that someday we might start re-paying our massive trade debt to them by helping pull them out of their sad living situation once we’ve gotten out own house in order. Maybe we should be using their solar panels to generate clean burning hydrogen gas and ship some back to them in the future to help them out.

      • George says:
        Completely agree with you. First they tell us to go green, but now they want to increase prices. I think solving our pollution problems worldwide and helping save the environment is more important that getting poorer or richer.

        Sun Electronics has not done any harm to consumers, they provide the world’s lowest prices so that even middle class people can afford solar and get started in the renewable energy.

        On the other hand, Solar World receives money from tax payers. They increase prices, they pick on small companies that sell affordable panels with the only lie telling senators that they it will help manufactures and jobs across america. Guess what, installers, suppliers will lose theirs jobs if prices are increased because less consumers will be able to afford solar.

    11. swiderski (mobile) says:
      They have completely mischaracterized this to their benefit, or at least tried to, and if they have their way they’re gonna screw everybody.

      I am spitting mad, we are gonna end up paying for this on both ends and then some, 1/2 holding up solarworld and half subsidizing every single installation because of the increased cost. A prolonged dependence on dirty energy sources. And another denial of the good tax payers of this country to afford for themselves an opportunity to truly move into a green economy. all this for the benefit of probably a dozen or so suits, at the top.

    12. Alex says:
      Time to get your lawyers on the phone John, someone should pay for dirtying your company like this.
    13. Ben Romano says:

      I’m a journalist with Recharge, which covers the global renewable energy industry. I am seeking comment on SolarWorld’s statements about Sun Electronics. Could Mr. Kimball or someone else from the company please get in touch with me? I assume you have my email address as a result of this comment. If not, contact information can be found at http://www.rechargenews.com



    14. Frank Z says:
      That’s a great idea Alex! John – get your cut of the Obama solar loans for campaign contributions scam with a well deserved libel lawsuit against this scum.
    15. Swiderski says:
      Come on SolarWorld.. sell me some panels that i can afford.. uh, what, you cant, i didnt think so! Well then why are YOU occupying MY opportunity, and MY tax dime?? Get out of the way!! The world is tuning in, and you are looking awfully greedy!

      Why are you bashing these folks for pulling together an honest good deal for themselves. Somebody was going to buy the auctioned assets, you could have too!! But you didnt! SolarWorld is NO HERO!

      Thats why im NOT opening a solar panel mfg plant, Im going to go install them instead.. and then.. get this!! im going to maintain them too!! 100′s of thousands of jobs.. as we move away from nasty, dirty, subsidized coal, gas and nuke..

      I stand here with some good folk, who want a better opportunity for all, not a perpetual bail out for your 1000 and a few suits at the top, its legal rape you propose..

      • Swiderski says:
        Before I go off to work..(and away from this Blog haha!) Allow me to appologize my rant. While the meaning is true to me, I of course shouldn’t let it get under my skin. Im usually pretty laid back, but, yesterday got me hot, and unsettled.

        SunElectronics is good people, and i cant stand that CASM and SolarWorld tried to spotlight them as some “Example of Evil”. SunElec did nothing wrong, and further, actually did something great. Without a subsidy!

        The good people want Solar, Jobs, and a brighter future. A few people will try to pull a fast one, and make everybody pay 3 times more than what it could cost! Its all been said by many.

    16. where2 says:
      In other news, the local power company is seeking a rate increase, Again! If anyone lives where their cost of electricity is going down, let us know. That will help Swiderski’s business model. He can avoid installing there, for now.
    17. Meredith Poor says:
      Of course, the other ‘solar’ manufacturers you can’t identify might actually be coal miners. Or frackers. Or nukies. Not directly, of course, but through some of their respective ‘public interest’ fronts. The EIA (Energy Information Agency) says here that the 8% of the energy consumed in the US is renewable. That’s a lot of coal trains. There’s no fundamental reason solar power should ever get more expensive to make – there’s no raw material to ‘run out of’. This 8% includes a lot of $2 and $4 per watt inputs. All further inputs will cost less than $2 per watt , and most less than $1 per watt, over the next ten years. It’s curtians for the filthies.
    18. Chris Amar says:
      Back in 1999, I bought about 2,000 watts of monocrystalline panels for about $5.50 per watt. Now I can buy from Sun Electronics for around $1.00 per watt. And this is years with a continually inflated dollar. At these prices, who needs government subsidies? I can install my own grid-connect system all without the subsidies for lower than if I hired an install/dealer with the subsidies. I understand that SolarWorld is attempting to survive in a system that, for now, there apparently isn’t any profit to be had. How long can the Chinese government keep subsidizing their PV manufacturers? Potentially, a very long time. After all, we keep sending them a lot of money every month. And, they’ve got lots of people to employ. They must keep their growth rate up or they’ll have more protests than they currently now have.

      I do agree with John Kimball, let China lose the money on manufacturing and we’ll make it on the rest.

      I know someone who is an installer/dealer in New York State who at a trade show spoke to the people from SunTech who had just opened up a US pv manufacturing plant in Goodyear Arizona. She asked them how they can sell their US made panels for the same price as their China made panels and she said they had one word “automation”. Or very high automation, to be exact. So, SolarWorld, it seems that you’ll have to figure out how to make some money in this uber-competitive market, or Sun Electronics will be buying your surplus inventory from the bankruptcy courts later this year.

    19. Randy Stollar says:
      No good deed goes unpunished.
      I wonder about companies that charge a lot for their product and get the government on their side to go after the guys who are smaller but give a better deal. Hmmm
      Keep going John, I’m pulling for ya!

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    John Kimball and Sun Electronics needs to pay the duties and penalties that they owe the American Government for contributing to the destruction of the American Solar Market. Get um CASM !

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